The last couple of days I have noticed that turbulence and icing are not working on the map unless you hit the time-lapse button. But otherwise, they may flash on and off or not at all.
On an updated Mac/X-Plane with the latest version of Navigraph.
Hello! Welcome back.
Could you upload a recording of this phenomenon? I am not able to reproduce it.
Kind Regards,
Malte
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I am not seeing any turbulence displayed on the map either, even when using the time lapse, it has completely disappeared for me recently.
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Hello again! We have identified the issue.
The technical explanation is that the NOAA GFS data that is published to the AWS Open Data Registry suddenly no longer includes WAFS Hazard Data files. At the moment, we don’t know why they are gone but there surely is a good reason!
At the moment, there is no easy way around this issue. We will continue to investigate possible solutions after the weekend! Apologies for the inconvenience in the meantime.
Kind Regards,
Malte
As a short update (also mentioned in this thread), it seems like NOAA has decided to stop distributing this data openly. Unfortunately, this means that we will have to find an alternative source with the same quality, which is proving to be a challenge. We will try to make this happen as soon as possible, but it could take time! You can read the official message from NOAA here.
We realize that these are some of the most useful weather layers in our collection, so we apologize for the inconvenience that this causes in the meantime.
Kind Regards,
Malte
Tip: I would recommend that Navigraph enquire with the Flightaware team (www.flightaware.com) in Houston, TX, USA. They are utilising the same data if I am not mistaken in their application - they are also showing turbulence data in their application with current, +6 hrs, +12 hrs, +18 hrs. etc. prediction. Perhaps they know a work-around or maybe even you can get the data through Flightaware if they are willing to do this?
We’ve looked around - many others are using less detailed data and then interpolating between data points to make it seem like they have more data than they have.
We are in contact with SADIS and hope to be provided with an official source in the coming weeks!
Thank you for the idea either way. If for some reason our main plan does not work out, we’ll consider reaching out to them (even if the chances of getting a useful answer are quite low).
Actually, according to our contacts at NOAA & SADIS, WIFS and SADIS will be the only two official sources of this data going forward, with SADIS being the main source.
This was an ICAO mandate that they (NOAA) had to comply with, and just like us they are currently adjusting to the new conditions. SADIS will be ready for integration first, so that’s why we are aiming to work with them!
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Read the SADIS website, sounds promising!!! Hope you can reinstate the data in your application rather sooner than later! Keeping my fingers crossed!
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Excellent news! Thank you for supporting this useful feature
Any news regarding implementing/integrating the SADIS data into the Charts application (incl. turbulence weather layers)
? I just read the newsletter that came out, but no word on this. It is imperative that the data feeds that were lost be reinstated ASAP!
Thank you for showing interest! I understand that you are eager to get this information back inside the app - we are too. Please understand that we now need to merge two different weather datasets, using different delivery mechanisms and unfortunately less detailed data - this process will take time.
Rest assured that we do see this as a high priority.
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Good news! The layers should be back now.
Give them a go and let us know if you find any issues!
Kind Regards,
Malte
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Will they be added back into SimBrief as well?
I noticed today that they were back, however, It seems the altitude gaps are larger - every 4,000ft. Is this just due to the new provider, or is there a setting that can be changed within the app to show more altitudes?
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These layers are already back in SimBrief too.
The altitude gaps have always been 4,000 ft in Charts and 1,000 ft in SimBrief. We are aware of this issue and will fix it in a future update!
That said, the new data is deliberately more restricted in the vertical range than the earlier data we got, based on decisions made by NOAA and SADIS through ICAO. We have contacted them about this, we’ll see what the answer is. This means that lower flight levels (10 → 90 for turbulence, 10 → 40 for icing) are no longer available in the raw data at all.
Kind Regards,
Malte
Thank you so much for getting this back in so quickly!
I do have a quick clarification - when you say that level 10-40 are no longer available for icing, do you mean 1000-4000 feet?
Yes, that’s correct. We have now received an answer from SADIS - this data is no longer processed. If NOAA decides to release it again in some shape, we’ll see what we can do to integrate it.
For now though, this is the best that any weather service can get without guesswork!
Kind Regards,
Malte
Gotcha - that’s fine, I don’t think the 1000-4000 is that useful
The 4000 foot altitude gap is a bit of an issue, but I’m glad you’re working on that and delighted that this got back in so quickly
This has been the case since the release of the weather features, so nothing new! But yes, we’ll make sure to support the full range as part of an update to the design of the weather feature.
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