The landing runway?!

Hi All…

I generated a flight plan in SB.

Which lane will be the right one, according to Metar, for landing?

METAR09 May at 08:00
LEMD 090800Z 17002KT CAVOK 21/08 Q1021 NOSIG

All runways at the airport LEMD: 14R; 14L; 18R; 18L; 32R; 32L; 36R; 36L


The B747-800 needs a 7000ft long runway to landing. All 4 runways 14 and 18 are each 11483ft long, so the B747 can land on them. My question, why did SimBrief choose the RW36L runway for landing in its plan? I guess it’s logical that the landing runway is not the one chosen by SB! For what reason did this happen?


Another flight planner suggested landing runways correctly. The recommended landing strips are: 14R, 14L, 18R, 18L.


After re-generating the flight plan, SimBreif further selects the landing strip RWY32L!


Likewise, Navigraph Charts does not recommend this landing runway.

Recommends these lanes identically as above shows another flight planner.


All of this was done within 15 minutes, so there is no question of the Metar’s indications shifting over time. This is not the first time SimBrief has generated erroneous ranway.

THX…

Check FR24 for live info

I know the FR24, but that’s not the problem…

Runways at LEMD are used as follows:

PREFERENTIAL CONFIGURATIONS
Between 0700 and 2300 LT:
• Preferential: North Configuration
Arrivals: 32L/32R
Departures: 36L/36R
• Non preferential: South Configuration
Arrivals: 18L/18R
Departures: 14L/14R
Between 2300 and 0700 LT:
• Preferential: North Configuration
Arrivals: 32R
Departures: 36L
• Non preferential: South Configuration
Arrivals: 18L
Departures: 14L
The preferential configurations will be maintained until wind components are
produced, including 10 kt gusts of tailwind and/or 20 kt crosswind, the change
may be considered from 7 kt of tailwind, except for safety reasons, the
inoperativeness of any runway or air navigation aid disabling any of the
approved standard instrument departures and arrivals, or when one or more
of the following meteorological conditions prevail or are forecasted:
• runway surface conditions adversely affected and/or with breaking
action below good,
• cloud ceiling lower than 500 ft above aerodrome elevation,
• visibility less than 1.9 km (1 NM),
AIRAC AMDT 02/23 AIS-ESPAÑA
AD 2-LEMD 12 AIP
WEF 23-MAR-23 ESPAÑA
EPNdB CUOTA DE RUIDO (CR)
NOISE QUOTA (CR)
más de // more than 101.9 CR-16
99-101.9 CR-8
96-98.9 CR-4
93-95.9 CR-2
90-92.9 CR-1
menos de // less than 90 CR-0.5
wind shear notified or forecasted, or storms on approach or departure,
• other meteorological phenomena that may prevent it.
In such cases, ATC shall notify the Airport, which will confirm whether works
are in progress on the surface or facilities of non-preferential runways.
In south configuration, for the purpose of determining the preferential
runways, during the nights from Friday to Saturday and from Saturday to
Sunday, the night period will be considered from 2300 to 0900 LT, whenever
the operational circumstances permit so. Daytime SIDs must be used in their
appropriate schedules.
MADRID ACC will clear approaching aircraft taking into account TMA
MADRID geographical entry criteria (arrivals to RWY 32R/18L from the East
and to RWY 32L/18R from the West) except when it is necessary to assign a
different runway for arrivals due to safety reasons or to obtain a continuous
traffic flow.
ATIS messages shall broadcast information on the configuration in use of
runways.

There are NO landings on 14L/R and 36L/R
and no takeoffs 18L/R and 32L/R

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What is written here is for those who like to arrange a flight plan for an hour for a flight of up to half an hour. I was taught that, you need to arrange your flight according to the metar, weather. And that is exactly what I did. Out of three flight planner programs, one pointed to the wrong landing strip. Hence my questions and doubts about the correct calculation of the SB according to the metar. Accuracy “space” is no longer for me. Maybe what I wrote above will be of use to someone, because I am not.

It appears that Navigraph Charts and Little Navmap have misidentified the loading lane than SimBrief?

Hi,

To summarize the info @srcooke posted, unless the tailwind component exceeds 7-10kts, 32L/32R are the preferred runways for landing at LEMD. While the METAR winds are generally used to choose runways, individual airports often have their own rules that supersede this. Such rules need to manually programmed into the flight planner, which is why most planners will not be aware of them and will simply use the METAR winds.

For what it’s worth, I have added these preferential rules for LEMD to SimBrief now. Note also that SimBrief may consider the airport’s ATIS (if one exists on a network such as VATSIM or IVAO) when selecting runways, which may also differ from the METAR winds for a variety of reasons (such as local procedures).

Best regards,

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