Invalid X-Plane 11/12 .fms export in e.g. Italy

LIMC/17R N0459F400 AOS5K AOSTA DCT MOLUS T330 GILIR DCT RLP UT10 DIDOR UL613 SOVAT L613 HALIF UN590 ABEVI UN601 INPIP INPI1E EGPH/24

Export contains:

I
1100 Version
CYCLE 2303
ADEP LIMC
DEPRWY RW17R
SID AOS5K
SIDTRANS AOSTA

But AOS5K is a transition for the SIDs ending at MMP, not a SID in and of itself.

Some addons (e.g. Hot Start Challenger) fail to parse the .fms file because of the invalid SID.

Regards,

Tim

Can you check what the Hot Start Challenger would be expecting in this case? For example, does the following work?

I
1100 Version
CYCLE 2303
ADEP LIMC
DEPRWY RW17R
SID MMP8G
SIDTRANS AOS5K

Cheers,

Yep, this will work.

Yes, but for RW35R, not 17R.

That’s why i have pushed this wish:

SID and STAR in Optional entries - SimBrief / Feature Requests - Navigraph

As others have pointed out, MMP8G appears to be the SID for runway 35R so the exact combination above is not valid, you’d need to include MMP 6W or 7W, AFAICT.

Other than that looks fine.

Regards,

Tim

Any news? Simbrief is still including the invalid SID as of today.

In addition, when manually selecting the SID (as there may be multiple SIDs leading into the AOS5K transition, for example for runways 17L/17R MMP6W in 2303 but also MMP1R and MMP7W in the current cycle, or simply to avoid any ambiguity), the export is also weird:

LIMC/17R N0458F400 MMP6W.AOS5K AOSTA DCT MOLUS T330 GILIR DCT RLP UT10 DIDOR UL613 SOVAT L613 HALIF UN590 ABEVI UN601 INPIP INPI1E EGPH/24

I
1100 Version
CYCLE 2303
ADEP LIMC
DEPRWY RW17R
ADES EGPH
DESRWY RW24
STAR INPI1E
NUMENR 28
1 LIMC ADEP 768.000000 45.630000 8.723056
11 MC651 MMP6W.AOS5K 10200.000000 45.524219 8.735228
11 MC652 MMP6W.AOS5K 14400.000000 45.568111 8.932047
3 MMP MMP6W.AOS5K 18100.000000 45.640778 8.734833
11 NELAB MMP6W.AOS5K 23200.000000 45.628333 8.406667
11 MC517 MMP6W.AOS5K 25300.000000 45.650956 8.267783
11 MC518 MMP6W.AOS5K 29300.000000 45.702967 7.943994
11 AOSTA MMP6W.AOS5K 34400.000000 45.796389 7.345833
11 MOLUS DRCT 39200.000000 46.443889 6.679444
…

Where a correct export would probably look like:

I
1100 Version
CYCLE 2303
ADEP LIMC
DEPRWY RW17R
SID MMP6W
SIDTRANS AOS5K
ADES EGPH
DESRWY RW24
STAR INPI1E
NUMENR 22
1 LIMC ADEP 768.000000 45.630000 8.723056
11 AOSTA DRCT 34400.000000 45.796389 7.345833
11 MOLUS DRCT 39200.000000 46.443889 6.679444
…

Regards,

Tim

Edit: the weird construct with MMP6W.AOS5K in the enroute segment is also present in the “No SID/STAR” download.

Hi, I think everything should be fixed now.

If only a transition is supplied in the route option (default behavior, ex. LIMC/17R AOS5K AOSTA DCT MOLUS ...), an initial SID will be auto-selected from the available SIDs for the selected runway and included in the X-Plane export and Navigraph Charts import for compatibility.

You can also specify which initial SID to use by manually typing it into the route, for example: LIMC/17R MMP6W.AOS5K AOSTA DCT MOLUS ....

Best regards,

Appears to work as far as I can tell.

Not related to the export, but the find SID/STAR feature should probably be improved to handle this sort of construct better.


(with AOSTA as the first waypoint and 17R as the runway, current cycle)

This is a (possibly incomprehensible) mix of SIDs and transitions, where the list should instead probably contain:

IBCU1R.AOS6T
IBCU1R.AOS7M
IBCU1R.AOS7Y

IBCU6Y.AOS6T
IBCU6Y.AOS7M
IBCU6Y.AOS7Y

IBCU7Y.AOS6T
IBCU7Y.AOS7M
IBCU7Y.AOS7Y

MMP1R.AOS5K
MMP6W.AOS5K
MMP7W.AOS5K

NELA1R.AOS5J
NELA8X.AOS5J

NOBK1R.AOS8Z
NOBK5X.AOS8Z
NOBK6X.AOS8Z

…17 lines instead of 11 (longer but the previous was already a long mess) and at least presents all and only the valid combinations that terminate at AOSTA.

Regards,

Tim

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Works also for me.

Just one question: why is there no IBCU1R chart ?

Looks like it’s hidden in chart 10-3X7 - RWYS 17L/R RNAV SIDS (TRIAL).

Best regards,

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