I am planning a flight in Simbrief which includes a STAR pattern followed by a runway approach. I would like to add some intermediate waypoints between these patterns but Simbrief does not seem to allow this. Can you please tell me if this is possible within Simbrief? I know I can add the waypoints manually within the aircraft FMC but I would prefer adding them in Simbrief so the resulting FMS file is complete. Thanks for your advice on this.
Steve Haines
No, that is not what I am saying. I would like to add waypoints after the STAR and before the approach. When I try to do this in Simbrief it deletes the STAR pattern entirely, then adds the first intermediate waypoint I have entered. Google Gemini suggests I can do this by adding the last waypoint of the STAR after the STAR title then inserting the new waypoints, or maybe adding a period between these designations. None of those tricks seem to work so I thought I would ask the authors.
In this case here is my route and what I would like to add…
Original route:
KRDU/23L HURIC4 FEBEL DCT GUILD DCT SAWED DCT KALDA SARDI1 KHVN/SOARS.R20
Modified route with additional waypoints following the STAR:
KRDU/23L HURIC4 FEBEL DCT GUILD DCT SAWED DCT KALDA SARDI1 WESTO BAYYS MERIT GREKI KHVN/SOARS.R20
I understand this can be done within the aircraft MCDU but I am curious if there is a way to do it within Simbrief so the final route FMS file contains these additions.
Steve Haines
This cannot be done with Simbrief. The closest workaround would be to add the STAR waypoints manually (instead of via the STAR identifier) to the route and add additional waypoints after that.
HURIC4 FEBEL GUILD SAWED KALDA <list of STAR waypoints> <additional waypoints>
Regards,
Tim
Okay.
Here are my thoughts:
Tim,
Thank you. You confirmed my suspicion. I know there is a “suggestion box” area within the Navigraph website. I would prefer to simply ask you to pass along my suggestion that this capability be added to a future Simbrief update. Adding waypoints between a Star and Approach is a common procedure, at least in the SIM world. It would be useful to be able to do this within Simbrief.
Thanks,
Steve Haines
Hi Steve,
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Cheers
Ian
Not in my experience. IMO whatever work it takes to allow this would not be worthwhile considering how few people it might benefit (but you are of course free to submit a feature request in the suggestion box; I have zero decisional impact on what may or may not get implemented by Navigraph).
Most FMS route file format supplied by Simbrief don’t event contain any procedures (SID, STAR, approach) as those are subject to change by Air Traffic Control instructions and are therefore entered by the pilots via the FMS/MCDU.
In addition, newer FMS formats usually specify procedures via dedicated fields as opposed to a flat list of waypoints, and as such would not support arbitrary waypoints between STAR and approach (as it, it would literally not be possible to do so given the file format specifications).
Thus, in many cases, the ability to specify waypoints between STAR and approach would not give the results you expect.
Regards,
Tim