At Dubai OMDB the Concourse A terminal only shows Gate A2 to A10 in the chart, where is the rest of the A gates?
Good for you guys that you have a solution.
My point is that in reality there are plenty of references to A gates not represented on these charts.
E.g. check this flight and the departure A gates that recently was used
Also I asked Google AI (for whatever it’s worth): “navigraph dubai airport A concourse shows only A1 to A10 at concourse A”
Reply: Concourse A at Dubai International Airport features 24 gates, officially numbered from A1 to A24. If your navigational app or map only displays stands or gates A1 to A10, it is showing an incomplete or abbreviated layout of the concourse. [1, 2, 3]
I also asked: on a map of the A concourse terminal at dubai airport I see gates A2 to A10 on the north side and D1 to D10 on the south side
Reply: At Dubai International Airport (DXB), your navigation might be crossing over different concourses, as gates A2-A10 and D1-D10 belong to entirely different buildings. [1]
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Concourse A (A Gates): This concourse is part of Terminal 3 (dedicated to Emirates flights). It features gates up to around A24, laid out in an elongated Y-shape where the gates branch off to the north and south.
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Concourse D (D Gates): This is a completely separate concourse in Terminal 1 (for international airlines). [1, 2, 3, 4, 5
And my third question was: what is the passenger gate number that corresponds to aircraft gate A24 at dubai airport OMDB
Reply: At Dubai International Airport (OMDB/DXB), aircraft gate A24 corresponds to passenger boarding gate A24. It is located in concourse A which is part of the dedicated Emirates Terminal 3 complex
Looking forward to see some conclusions here
See my response to Gordon
The data provider is using the information from the AIP, and here you see only A1-A10. Possible that these gates are airline-specific and therefore tailored by Emirates.
ChatGPT is not a reliable or valid source for such answers (at least not for us or the data provider). The provider trusts the AIPs and the information directly from the country.
Cheers,
Richard
Well as aircrafts in reality officially do depart from A-gates (unless you mistrust Flightawares records as well) other than A1 to A10 there must be an explanation.
I only wish to make my flights as close to reality as possible.
Again, there may be an explanation, but we don´t have it, sorry… We can only refer to the AIP, and we can´t see any information about this gate in the official AIP (or at least, I haven´t found any).
We are happy to report an issue, but we need an official reference (not ChatGPT, FlightAware, etc.). It would be great if you could help us here.
Thank you very much,
Richard
I would like to but don’t know where to go. A conversation with an Emirates pilot or the Dubai tower would of course clear this out. Google AI and AI’s in general can’t be 100% trusted. but they seldom construct such a detailed fantasy descriptions and explanations. Look at he one below including the links (also fakes?)
The Gate Sequence: Concourse A is laid out in a crescent or linear fashion. Gates A1 through A12 are typically situated on the northern half of the concourse facing west, curving toward the center where A13-A19 sit. Gates A20 through A24 sit at the far northern tip.
- The Opposite End: The very south end of the concourse features gates A1-A5, which are the closest to the terminal train (APM) station and central lounges.
- Side Orientation: Gates A20, A21, A22, A23, and A24 are specifically positioned on the eastern and northernmost apex of the pier. [1, 3]
- Side Orientation: Gates A20, A21, A22, A23, and A24 are specifically positioned on the eastern and northernmost apex of the pier.
I don’t say that all AIs are wrong or produce fakes, but this isn’t something we can use for an official report. To report such things, we must following some rules. I’m sorry.
Cheers
Richard
Passenger gate numbers do not necessarily correspond to aircraft parking stands. So it’s quite possible you’re both right, except for the fact that you are talking about different things.
For example, at LSGG, you have the following passenger gates:
(this map may not be the most current, but you get an idea of the gate setup)
Meanwhile you have the following parking stands:
At LSGG (and many other airports worldwide), not only do the parking stand numbers not necessarily match passenger gate numbers, but there can be more passenger gates than parking stands, or vice-versa.
Of course, as far as pilots are concerned, it’s the aircraft parking positions that matter. The fact that both the Jeppesen charts and those posted by the Emirati AIP match suggests that the charts are absolutely correct.
Regards,
Tim
Hi Tim
Thanks for your input. And as far I know you’re correct. I know a lot of airports where pilot gates and passengergates differ.
This is why I asked AI: what is the passenger gate number that corresponds to aircraft gate A24 at dubai airport OMDB
Reply: At Dubai International Airport (OMDB/DXB), aircraft gate A24 corresponds to passenger boarding gate A24. It is located in concourse A which is part of the dedicated Emirates Terminal 3 complex
And of course the official records like those from Jeppesen are correct, in some sense!!
I just want it to be correct in relation to reality as this is what simulation is all about.
I’m sure there is an explanation. And one thing is for certain, this thread is not solved.
According to the official AIP and Jeppesen charts, we can’t see any errors or missing information. When you mean you miss something, or when we should report something, please forward us another official source when you don’t trust the AIP of the Emirates.
Please provide a real-world reference so we can report it. Meanwhile, it is solved for us because we are spinning in circles here.
Thank you very much
Richard
It seems the only official source you accept is the AIP. While I think most people here realize that by denying photos or the integrity of air traffic control systems (like the FAA) you’re not that keen on solving this, rather getting rid of the topic.
What you see here (directly from FlightAware) are the Passenger Gates in the Terminal. Tim explained in his posting, and you also confirmed it, that the Passenger Gates must not match the aircraft gates in the data. That is exactly the case here, believe it now or not.
So, when you look closer at Gate A19, the “A” suffix designates the remote stand (A19A) accessed from the ground level.
Feel free to contact FlightAware to ask about the gate number; you can use this posting as your reference, but stop blaming us for not being willing to fix something. Thank you very much!
Cheers,
Richard
Thank you Richard, now the thread is progressing. So what could be assumed here is that the AIP D gates are pilot related gates while passenger related gates are A12+ and referred to by FAA, airport announcements etc The ATC clearance to the gate are D something and according to AIP