Lesson 4: Climbs & Descents

Here you can discuss climbing and descending.

It is said that the entry step for a climb is setting full throttle (step 1). Step 3 is pitching up for 75 kts. IMHO (and keeping in mind my real life PPL lessons), this is completely wrong. The first step should be pitching the nose up and let the cruise speed bleed off till it nears the climb speed. Only then you apply full throttle. If you do it otherwise you run the risk of the RPM running into the red zone.

Hi! It is a very common procedure on the Cessna to apply smooth power to full first, then pitch for climb. On normal propeller equipped Cessnas with normal cruise speeds, propeller overspeed should not occur. However, remember that we are not training for real life operations here and that we are using the in game Cessna version as our base. On that Cessna, there is no issue in putting in power first, then pitching for the climb attitude. This also gives better climb performance as the excess power can be used throughout the who climb entry.

Hi there, I just wanted to check about the turning reference table, in the Descent Power-off row it refers to 68KIAS as Vx, I am not knowledgeable in the topic but I thought 68KIAS would be Vg. As it was already stated that Vx is 65KIAS

I get incomplete very often, have no idea where is my mistake. Appreciate your support on this. Thanks!

Hi! Make sure you are in a stable climb with full power, flying at or close to 75 knots. Then turn targeting 20 degrees of bank. Turn for at least 90 degrees one way. Then level out. Do the same for the other way. If this still does not make your turns register, let me know and we can check the flights manually.

Best of luck!

Thank you for the guidance. I was able to move on to the next lesson.

Thanks for the reply. I do not fly Cessna irl, so not familiar with the specific requirements of this airplane. I referrred to my studybook and experience during my flight lessons.

I made it through the first three lessons easy enough, now on lesson 4 I can’t pass, the analysis shows a path I flew but not much else. Not clear why but I saw a “not all tasks completed” or something like that. How do I access the direct feedback?

First of all, make absolutely sure you are able to achieve idle throttle. Check your axis bindings/calibration.

The reason you are seeing an “incomplete” message is that some or more lesson criteria is not registering so the recorder is not picking up that the maneuver is in progress.

Thanks to previous replies, I managed to complete this.

Here is an uncut recording of the lesson with flight surface deflections and power setting visible.

Interested is watching this, but it says it’s unavailable.

It’s taken me a while to feel ready to progress to lesson 4 and I’ve spent all day trying to practise in free flight mode, but there’s so much to remember during this lesson.

I’m gonna take a little break and try again in a few days, but I think seeing someone else’s attempt would be very helpful when i get back to it.

never mind :slight_smile:

gave it another go this morning and my lowest turn score was 93%, and that was on power ON descent lol.

I guess a lot is due to the weather too. When I was practising yesterday I forgot to turn off live weather, whereas in the test I guess it has predefined weather?

Anyway, passed with 99% total score, so I’m pretty happy with that.

As with the last lesson (and this is something that a lot of YouTube videos about flight sim seem to not tell you), the key seems to be trying NOT to look at your instruments all the time, but instead just look outside and try and hold the same view during whatever manoeuvre you are performing.

On to lesson 5 next :slight_smile:

The vid is available now.

cool. thank you. I did manage to pass this lesson, but I will still watch your video after work today.

I’m up to lesson 6 now, and practising in free flight mode to hold slow speeds and maintain altitude.

thanks again for making the video available though.

I have been livid at times knowing that I performed the activity requested…especially power off descents and on occasion power on descents. I have done this exercise approaching 15+ times. I have watched and rewatched the video at least 6-7 times. Now, this AM my computer downloaded a new update of MSFS 2024 and now lesson 4 will not even launch. What is up? I had my heart set on passing the test today…but, no go. Is there some way to fix the issue? I have been stuck here for 10 days!! If not, I’ll have to go back to MSFS 2024 for exercises although they are not nearly as good as what you do. Foxtrot7975 (Frank A Snyder MD)

@Foxtrot7975 There are several issues with the string of failures, mostly stemming from too high vertical speed in climbs/descents, straying too far away from the expected speed while climbing/descending and a failure for the recorder to capture events. The last example flights, between August 11th and 12th had components of all of these issues.

The best thing to do here would be to review the lesson expectations carefully, write them down if needed, take a breath and fly with those points in mind intently.

Regarding Academy not launching, I have just tried to reproduce the lesson not launches. It launches fine on my system. I would recommend that you uninstall the Academy Lessons module from Navigraph hub and make sure that the Academy folder in your MSFS2024 community folder has been cleanly removed. Then install it again.

Hi GordonNG,

I will do as you advise however it will take me some time to figure out how to do it on win 10 pc. I used windows for over 30+ years until I retired and after going through chemotherapy, etc. I have forgotten much of what I did know. Thank you so much for your advice.

Dr. Frank

PS Would it be OK if I sent you a screen shot of my community folders. I have no idea what I should do with the “Modify” command. I’ll send one to mtrankell also as long as I am within the protocols of this forum.