ILS approaches not complete for EBLG

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The airport of Liege EBLG has 2 different ILS procedures per runway, one for Cat A and B aircraft, and one for cat C and D aircraft. The procedures for the cat A and B are missing in the list of GPS procedures. They are listed in the charts though. Greetings

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Hi,
And welcome at Navigraph.

I have looked into the ILS 04 approaches and I see all different IAFs/Transitions for all CATs.

ILS 04 CAT A+B:
ALH1Y/Z

ILS 04 for CAT C+D:
OSTAT
EVSEN

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So, both approaches (for the different CATs) are included according the charts, or do I misunderstood you here?

Cheers,
Richard

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The X-Plane GNS430 “custom data native” database has the following:

APPTR,I04R,04R,ALH1Y
IF,ALHUV,50.654000,5.470417, ,0.0,0.0,2,3000,0,1,250,0,0,0
TF,LITPO,50.601389,5.166139,0, ,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,2,3000,0,1,250,0,0,0
TF,OSTAT,50.553250,5.091472,0, ,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,2,3000,0,1,250,0,1,0
TF,TUTSO,50.483278,5.201000,0,IHH,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,2,3000,0,1,250,0,1,0

APPTR,I04R,04R,ALH1Z
IF,ALHUV,50.654000,5.470417, ,0.0,0.0,2,3000,0,1,250,0,0,0
TF,NEPIV,50.468139,5.392917,0, ,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,2,3000,0,1,250,0,0,0
TF,EVSEN,50.414083,5.308806,0, ,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,2,3000,0,1,250,0,1,0
TF,TUTSO,50.483278,5.201000,0,IHH,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,2,3000,0,1,250,0,1,0

FINAL,I04R,04R,I,3
IF,TUTSO,50.483278,5.201000,IHH,223.3,14.3,2,3000,0,0,0,0,0,0
CF,FF04R,50.543639,5.295972,0,IHH,223.2,9.2,43.0,5.1,1,3000,0,0,0,0,2,0
CF,RW04R,50.628639,5.430228,0,IHH,223.2,2.0,43.0,7.2,1,702,0,0,0,0,3,0
CA,0,43.0,2,1085,0,0,0,0,0,0
DF,L04RT,50.718417,5.572889,0, ,0.0,0.0,0,0,0,1,215,0,0,1
DF,ALHUV,50.654000,5.470417,1, ,0.0,0.0,1,3000,0,1,215,0,0,0
HM,ALHUV,50.654000,5.470417,1, ,0.0,0.0,43.0,04.3,2,3000,0,1,230,0,0,0,0

The ILS 04R for category A/B aircraft depicted on the Jeppesen 11-2 chart for EBLG has the following waypoint sequence instead:

ALHUV
ABLAZ
PIZVE
KAQZI
[…]

…this waypoint sequence (and the final approach from KAQZI) do not seem to exist in the Navigraph database, as far as I can tell?

Regards,

Tim

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Hi Tim,
we are speaking here from the MSFS and not from X-Plane … In MSFS we generate for every IAF a own transition therefore you see the transitions in MSFS but not in X-Plane. So to avoid confusion, please don´t compare the X-Plane data with the MSFS data :wink:

Cheers,
Richard

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Fair enough. I am not at my PC right now so I cannot easily check MSFS data. But:

In MSFS, do these transitions actually have the category A/B waypoint sequence depicted on the 11-2 chart (ALHUV ABLAZ PIZVE KAQZI)?

Regards,

Tim

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Let me check this Tim …

Cheers,
Richard

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The ALH1Y has following sequence:

ALHUV
LITPO
OSTAT
TUTSO

… and the ALH1Z has:

ALHUV
NEPIV
EVSEN
TUTSO

So both are the RNAV transitions to the final. The ALHUV IAF is “missing” than and therefore the CAT A&B part via KAQZI. I think we should ask Jeppesen :wink:

Thank you,
Richard

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I am using FS2020 with TDS software for the GTN. When selecting the ILS04R, I can either choose EVSEN or OSTAT for the transition. Choosing either brings up the ILS 04R Cat C & D including TUTSO. The ILS 04R Cat A & B have ALHUV, ABLAZ,PIZVE AND KAQZI which are not available among the procedures. This one is the only missing, all other procedures are there.
Greetings,
Marnix

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