Generated 'Not in Database' fixes/waypoints

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Hello. I’ve been using Charts for many years now. Setting a polar route from PANC (Anchorage) to EGLL (London) I asked Charts to ‘Generate’ a route, which it did. But, the waypoint names would not be accepted by the PMDG 777-200 LR FMC saying ‘Not in Database’. These are the generated points… 74N32..77N18..8094N..8065N..7841N..7426N..7017N..6511N. Not sure how to correct these. Also, when I manually tried to find waypoints for this route, they seemed very sparse. Is that normal for this high altitude zone ?

Many thanks. Your products are brilliant and much appreciated. Bob Reardon

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These are shorthand forms for latitude/longitude coordinates. Some of them exist as waypoints in the database, others not.

When you mean not accepted, do you mean you tried to type them manually into the FMC or did you use Simbrief import from the FMC instead?

If you use the default LIDO format, the navlog part of the briefing will list them in non-abbreviated form as well:

DCT                          330   020  .83 216/068  M50  56.9  18.7
74N132W     N7400.0 0002 ...  26   042  485    P067  P01
74N32      W13200.0 0144 ...  33  3056  552       2  318  ....  ....

DCT                          330   032  .83 234/078  M55  53.0  22.6
77N118W     N7700.0 0030 ...  72   046  479    P076  M04
77N18      W11800.0 0214 ... 276  2780  555       1  334  ....  ....





AWY                           FL   IMT   MN    WIND  OAT  EFOB  PBRN
POSITION    LAT      EET ETO MORA  ITT  TAS    COMP  TDV
IDENT       LONG    TTLT ATO DIS  RDIS   GS     SHR  TRP  AFOB  ABRN
FREQ
--------------------------------------------------------------------
                             330   108  .83 251/042  M55  49.5  26.1
ETP1        N7918.4 0028 ...  95   075  479    P038  M04
           W10235.2 0242 ... 233  2547  517       1  330  ....  ....

DCT                          330   108  .83 251/042  M55  47.9  27.7
80N094W     N8000.0 0011 ...  95   075  479    P038  M04
8094N      W09400.0 0253 ... 102  2445  517       1  330  ....  ....

NUUK FIR FIR
-BGGL       N7959.0 0016 ...
           W06744.9 0309 ... 271  2174

EDMONTON FIR
-CZEG       N7959.0 0000 ...
           W06733.9 0309 ...   2  2172

DCT                          330   150  .83 302/013  M54  43.2  32.4
80N065W     N8000.0 0021 ... 106   101  480    P009  M03
8065N      W06500.0 0330 ...  26  2146  489       0  322  ....  ....

DCT                          350   163  .83 170/003  M51  38.3  37.3
78N041W     N7800.0 0037 ... 108   130  483    M001  P04
7841N      W04100.0 0407 ... 297  1849  482       1  312  ....  ....

DCT                          350   162  .83 152/013  M53  33.2  42.4
74N026W     N7400.0 0041 ...  75   140  481    M012  P02
7426N      W02600.0 0448 ... 322  1527  469       1  320  ....  ....

                             350   166  .83 129/021  M50  31.9  43.7
ETOPS       N7253.4 0012 ...  20   152  483    M021  P05
EXIT       W02259.4 0500 ...  84  1443  462       1  303  ....  ....

REYKJAVIK FIR
-BIRD       N7119.5 0013 ...
           W02000.0 0513 ... 109  1334

DCT                          350   166  .83 129/021  M50  28.6  47.0
70N017W     N7000.0 0013 ...  20   152  483    M021  P05
7017N      W01700.0 0526 ...  99  1235  462       1  303  ....  ....

DCT                          350   163  .83 193/050  M47  23.2  52.4
65N011W     N6500.0 0044 ...  20   154  486    M039  P08
6511N      W01100.0 0610 ... 330   905  447       3  302  ....  ....

You can use these for FMC input: 74N32 becomes 74N132W or if that doesn’t work then N74W132 should, I think.

If you use a different format, some of them still list the associated coordinates which you can reference to figure out what do enter:

N8000.0
W09400.0

…becomes N80W094 or 80N094W and so on.

Regards,

Tim

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Hello Tim,

Thank you for replying.

I should have mentioned that I have the latest version of Msfs2024, Charts and PMDG 777-200LR loaded on a PC with Windows 10.

I start with Charts to make my plan but this time I use the Charts ‘Generate’ to get a plan, rather than manually selecting each waypoint.

I can then see the Charts map with the full plan showing: the origin A/P, the SID, all the waypoints, the STAR and finally the destination A/P.

I then load up FS2024/777 and manually enter the full plan into the FMC.

But each waypoint that was generated by Charts is rejected with the ‘Not in Database’ error message.

If I enter a waypoint that is shown on the Charts map from that high latitude area, it is accepted.

Ie. Charts listed a waypoint 8065N. Looking at the charts map, I can see 8066N and 8064N, but not 8065N.

Waypoint 8065N is rejected by the FMC, but the 8064N is accepted.

So I was wondering is charts generating a waypoint that is not in the database ?

I would like to add these manually to the Database but I would need to understand the layout and how to do that.

Or, how can I tell if I have the latest Database loaded, and if not , how can I load the latest.

Thanks for your examples. I will try them next time and let you know.

Thank you,

Bob

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These are shorthand forms for latitude/longitude coordinates. Some of them exist as waypoints in the database, others not.

As you’ve discovered, 8066N and 8064N are in the database but not 8065N – indeed.

That doesn’t make 8065N “invalid” per se, although typically then you would use a non-abbreviated form like 80N065W or N80W065 as I explained earlier. Probably Navigraph Charts should do the same in this case.

If you use Navigraph Chart’s “Export” function, select “PMDG Flightplan”, save the file somewhere and open it in a plain text editor (e.g. Notepad), you will notice Charts automatically converts 8065N to the non-abbreviated form N80W065 in its export.

You could use the exported file as a reference to manually enter your route in the FMS, or you can actually use this file as a “company route” in the PMDG if you save it to the correct folder.

Unfortunately I am not sure exactly what the correct path is as I prefer to import directly from Simbrief, but in theory it should be somewhere like described in the following avsim forum post:

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/618709-where-is-the-pmdg-flt-plan-folder/

Regards,

Tim

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Hi Tim,

Once again thanks for your quick reply.

I was thinking of what you said about entering IDs in a non-abbreviated manner and realized that PMDG FMS accepts that format.

I’ve got so used to entering IDs that I select off the Charts map, that I totally forgot about entering non-abbreviated formats.

I’ll give it a try and let you know.

Thanks for the tips about export/import, but I always prefer to enter the values manually.

Anyway, very much appreciated.

Bob

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Hi Tim,

Just tried your suggestion and it worked.

I entered 8065N as N80W065 and it was accepted.

So now I can recreate a flight I took when I was 12.

Many thanks again,

Happy flying…

Bob

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