CRJ-550 Simbrief MSFS2020 saved route problem.
Simbrief .fpl route (KCLEKDTW.flp) for Aerosoft CRJ (MSFS2020) using Navigraph data:
KCLE/24R DCT DJB DCT HUDDZ DCT TUMAY DCT MCLUR DCT ANNTS DCT KDTW/04R
Loads into CDU CoRoute (Legs pages) with:
ILS waypoints and duplicate Missed Approach segments.
I copied her the saved route and did 4 screenshots for your review.
[CoRte]
ArptDep=KCLE
RwyDep=KCLE24R
ArptArr=KDTW
RwyArr=KDTW04R
ArptAltn=KCLE
SID=
SIDEnrTrans=
STAR=
EnrSTARTrans=
STARApprTrans=
APPR_Trans=VECTORS
RwyArrFINAL=I04R
CoRoute=
FltNo=AAL567
DctWpt1=DJB
DctWpt1Coordinates=41.358064,-82.161969
DctWpt2=HUDDZ
DctWpt2Coordinates=41.311272,-82.509819
DctWpt3=TUMAY
DctWpt3Coordinates=41.217519,-83.446031
DctWpt4=MCLUR
DctWpt4Coordinates=41.321078,-84.025167
DctWpt5=ANNTS
DctWpt5Coordinates=41.683564,-83.790600
[PerfData]
CrzAlt=22000
CrzAltAltn=17000
PaxCnt=49
PaxWeight=191
CargoWeight=2213
FuelWeight=6376
WindDirClb=306
WindSpdClb=33
WindDirCrz=310
WindSpdCrz=52
WindDirDes=311
WindSpdDes=32
ISADev=4
ResFuel=1333
TaxiFuel=500
[VNAVData]
TransAlt=18000
TransLvl=18000
I sent the route to this folder (screenshot).
The SimBrief coroute=CLEDTW01 SimBrief.flp
Generated via the CRJ’s EFB (Tablet) does not have the problem I reported.
It is located here on my setup and the contents is shown below.
D:\WpSystem\S-1-5-21-3919830846-3555096354-194503561-1001\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.FlightSimulator_8wekyb3d8bbwe\LocalState\packages\aerosoft-crj\work\SimBrief
So, the Simbrief .flp I reported needs a fix by the Simbrief Developer.
Remove:
APPR_Trans=VECTORS
RwyArrFINAL=I04R
BTW, why no support replies to my initial post 6 days ago?
[corte]
version=2
arptdep=KCLE
rwydep=24L
arptarr=KDTW
rwyarr=04R
arptaltn=
sid=
sidenrtrans=
star=
enrstartrans=
appr_trans=
rwyarrfinal=
coroute=CLEDTW01
fltno=AAL567
fltid=AAL567
dctwpt1=DJB
dctwpt1airway=
dctwpt1coordinates=41.358064,-82.161969
dctwpt2=HUDDZ
dctwpt2airway=
dctwpt2coordinates=41.311272,-82.509819
dctwpt3=TUMAY
dctwpt3airway=
dctwpt3coordinates=41.217519,-83.446031
dctwpt4=MCLUR
dctwpt4airway=
dctwpt4coordinates=41.321078,-84.025167
dctwpt5=ANNTS
dctwpt5airway=
dctwpt5coordinates=41.683564,-83.790600
[perfdata]
crzalt=24000
crzaltaltn=0
paxcnt=38
paxweight=191
cargoweight=1900
fuelweight=4980
winddirclb=268
windspdclb=45
winddircrz=280
windspdcrz=68
winddirdes=0
windspddes=68
isadev=5
resfuel=1305
taxifuel=500
[vnavdata]
transalt=18000
translvl=0
Hi,
In this screenshot, you are pointing to waypoint JELLY as being part of the missed approach:
This is incorrect, JELLY is the initial fix (IF) on the ILS 04R. The approach seems to be loaded correctly to be honest.
I agree that the approach seems to be duplicated (after the missed approach, JELLY appears again). I cannot comment on whether this is correct behavior for the CRJ FMS or not, it’s possible the FMS re-inserts the approach after the missed approach so that you can easily perform the approach again after a go-around.
In any case, the SimBrief .flp file formatting seems to be correct. If it is being imported incorrectly into the FMS, I suggest that you report this to Aerosoft directly.
Best regards,
Hi,
Thanks for the reply.
You are correct.
In my first post I mentioned the problem:
“Loads into CDU CoRoute (Legs pages) with:
ILS waypoints and duplicate Missed Approach segments.”
I should have said:
Loads into CDU CoRoute (Legs pages) with:
Duplicate ILS waypoints and duplicate Missed Approach segments.
As for the initial screenshot with JELLY.
Sorry for the confusion I caused with the incorrect annotation in the first screenshot.
I should have said:
Only ILS waypoints are shown in this first screenshot.
Duplicate ILS waypoints and duplicate Missed approach waypoints will be shown in the following screenshots.
Hi, thanks for the clarification.
Regarding the file format, as far as I can tell SimBrief is exporting it correctly. This looks like a bug with the aircraft when it tries to import the file.
In these cases, it is much better to contact the aircraft developer directly. That way they can investigate fully, and either fix the bug on their end, or if they find it is a problem with SimBrief, they can reach out to use directly with specific feedback on what needs to be changed.
We initially added the approach data to this format based on popular demand, and we haven’t had any reports of it causing issues in many years now. So I would rather not remove it until we give a chance for Aerosoft/Digital Aviation to look into this and perhaps fix it on their end.
Cheers,
Hi,
You are welcome.
Thanks for the history on adding approaches to the SimBrief route for the Aerosoft CRJ.
Note: SimBrief’s Dispatch does not have data input fields for Procedures (SID/STAR/APPROACH/TRANSITIONS).
Simbrief cannot assume which arrival approach and corresponding missed approach to use for a given route.
Take one example:
KGSO KILM
KGSO/23L TRI9 CARWN DCT FAY V296 YOAST DCT KILM/24
KILM has more than one ILS Rwy24 approach and each has a different missed approach procedure:
The ILS Y LOC Rwy24 uses a missed approach to GM LOM and hold.
The ILS Z Rwy 24 uses a missed approach to LURKY and hold.
So in this case, Aerosoft CRJ does not use any approach (thus no missed approach) in the FMS/CDU.
Flight Plan via the Simbrief OFP Flight Plan downloads:
D:\WpSystem\S-1-5-21-3919830846-3555096354-194503561-1001\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.FlightSimulator_8wekyb3d8bbwe\LocalState\packages\aerosoft-crj\work
I did FMS/CDU screenshots of this one:
[CoRte]
ArptDep=KGSO
RwyDep=KGSO23L
ArptArr=KILM
RwyArr=KILM24
ArptAltn=
SID=TRI9
SIDEnrTrans=CARWN
STAR=
EnrSTARTrans=
STARApprTrans=
APPR_Trans=VECTORS
RwyArrFINAL=I24
CoRoute=
FltNo=VMJ333
DctWpt1=FAY
DctWpt1Coordinates=34.985550,-78.875064
DctWpt2=GANDS
DctWpt2Coordinates=34.838142,-78.639811
DctWpt3=ZUNIT
DctWpt3Coordinates=34.815553,-78.603886
DctWpt4=RAPVY
DctWpt4Coordinates=34.669658,-78.372844
DctWpt5=YOAST
DctWpt5Coordinates=34.556344,-78.194453
[PerfData]
CrzAlt=25000
CrzAltAltn=-1
PaxCnt=50
PaxWeight=175
CargoWeight=2750
FuelWeight=4900
WindDirClb=282
WindSpdClb=36
WindDirCrz=280
WindSpdCrz=43
WindDirDes=281
WindSpdDes=37
ISADev=8
ResFuel=1306
TaxiFuel=500
[VNAVData]
TransAlt=18000
TransLvl=18000
Flight Plan via the Simbrief.xml and SimBrief generated SimBrieg.flp (via CRJ EFB) also does not use the any Approach / missed approach in FMS/CDU.
D:\WpSystem\S-1-5-21-3919830846-3555096354-194503561-1001\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.FlightSimulator_8wekyb3d8bbwe\LocalState\packages
[corte]
version=2
arptdep=KGSO
rwydep=23L
arptarr=KILM
rwyarr=24
arptaltn=
sid=TRI9
sidenrtrans=
star=
enrstartrans=
appr_trans=
rwyarrfinal=
coroute=GSOILM01
fltno=VMJ333
fltid=VMJ333
dctwpt1=CARWN
dctwpt1airway=
dctwpt1coordinates=35.543853,-80.428756
dctwpt2=FAY
dctwpt2airway=
dctwpt2coordinates=34.985550,-78.875064
dctwpt3=GANDS
dctwpt3airway=V296
dctwpt3coordinates=34.838142,-78.639811
dctwpt4=ZUNIT
dctwpt4airway=V296
dctwpt4coordinates=34.815553,-78.603886
dctwpt5=RAPVY
dctwpt5airway=V296
dctwpt5coordinates=34.669658,-78.372844
dctwpt6=YOAST
dctwpt6airway=V296
dctwpt6coordinates=34.556344,-78.194453
[perfdata]
crzalt=25000
crzaltaltn=0
paxcnt=50
paxweight=175
cargoweight=2750
fuelweight=4900
winddirclb=284
windspdclb=32
winddircrz=278
windspdcrz=50
winddirdes=0
windspddes=50
isadev=7
resfuel=1306
taxifuel=500
[vnavdata]
transalt=18000
translvl=0
I think this is best worked out between Navigraph and Aerosoft.
