Richard, Jason,
and to all others who have contributed in this particular track.
Your support cannot be praised enough. We’re all looking forward for the next updates to come!
Cheers,
Michael
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Thee are no approach arrival or approach charts for Paro intl airport
The government removed the approach, but you can still download the old charts from their website:
so why cant we get the charts? this is not good, what are we paying for if your just going to remove them, its a sim world and we need these charts.
Hi,
To remove something is nothing what we have in our hands. It is each country’s decision (possibly you have not read the link above).
Our data reflects the real world, and you pay for it to fly as real as it gets; when a country removes something, it will also be removed by the data provider.
We can add the data back as tailored data, not charts. This is simply a copyright and regulation issue.
You pay for real-world data/charts, which is absolutely right, but as a consequence, you must accept that the real world is changing from cycle to cycle.
Cheers
Richard
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Normally, I have been training with the sim and using NAV regularly. So your information is correct, because in reality, data for VQPR is restricted by the Bhutanese government. Therefore, in practice, we must rely on our own flying skills to approach Paro under VFR, which is fine for me because I am a real pilot. However, in the sim, many people would like to bring back the old AIRAC data to use. I think it is just a simulation, so they feel the need for those tools.
Was going to fly Katmandu-Paro. Then also noticed the missing charts/procedures.
Seems like they do it the “old” way again - overhead PRO etc, then VA.
As @chris22cpt says: use TAKTI, PRO, PR, circle R-turn i valley for R15. Not sure how they do it for 33, but guess they break of visually before PRO at some point?
Actually thought PRO VOR was shut down, but could tune it in the Fenix still.
Some old maps here - but guess these are somewhat valid again: https://www.tropicairvirtual.com/company/twoballs/Carte/VQPR_CHARTS.pdf
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I’m experiencing issue where not getting approach chart for the runway at VQPR considering Paro international Airport. This airport already cause me plenty of crashes during this end because he’s not giving me the correct coordinates. This issue need to be investigated and why this only happened to me
Hi…,
Welcome.
I have moved your post to this thread. Please read the thread above.
Cheers
Ian
Hi
I guess this topic explains why no charts/data exist any longer. Please read the postings above. BTW, the search function here in the forum works very well.
To your second issue with “not given the correct coordinates”. Please can you explain in more detail what you mean?
Without any details, we can’t investigate anything.
Cheers
Richard
It is not provided the approach information charged to give you the accurate coordinates to land on paro international Airport. I’m trying to provide an image of the issue that I’m seriously having that is causing too many crashes during the descent of the aircraft because of the actions of the approach charge information.
According to the arrival available, there is zero ability and according to the approach available, there is zero to select. This issue started three days ago. It’s also doing on a X plane 12 , X plane 11 , Fight simulator, 20 20, and 2024. I’m going to provide a sample of the chart they is not available
Navigraph It is not provided the approach information chart that give you the accurate coordinates to land or descent in paro international Airport. I’m trying to provide an image of the issue by email because not allowed me here demonstrate a little bit better and I’m seriously having issue causing too many crashes during the descent of the aircraft because of the accent of the approach chart information not being available
According to the arrival available, there is zero ability and according to the approach available, there is zero to select. This issue started three days ago. It’s also doing on a X plane 12 , X plane 11 , Fight simulator, 20 20, and 2024. I’m going to provide a sample of the chart they is not available
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I’m unsure if you have read these postings here, but it is highly recommended!
When you need only the official short answer, then read at least this link, please:
Again, sometimes it is useful and avoids a lot of personal frustration to read (and try to understand) the whole postings. You would find all your answers in this thread.
Thank you very much
Richard
I thought this customer service fix issue of people paying subscription for navigraph chart. You state and don’t know who you are that writing to much long descriptions describing the issue. If the issue doesn’t get resolved. I have no choice cancel 10.45 monthly subscription and stay without because not paying for system not working properly, next negative respond this email. I’m going to cancel service
Sorry, sir, but may I ask a question?
What do you expect from your subscription? Real-world data/information/charts or fictitious/random information?
We offer real-world data/information/charts, which means we are dependent on the changes in the real world. I can´t do more than post an official document from the AIP of Bhutan, where they wrote that these charts/data are withdrawn in the real world.
When you read this thread, you will also find that we have developed a solution to reintroduce the STARs/IAPs as tailored records, starting with AIRAC 2510. With this approach, you can plan your flights and utilize the data in all your add-ons, except for the charts, as we rely on the official AIP.
Of course, you can cancel your subscription, but be aware that this data is no longer available because it has been withdrawn. Not in MSFS 2020, not in MSFS 2024, not in their flight planner, nowhere… and all these things have nothing to do with us, with Navigraph. It is the reality.
Cheers,
Richard
Whoa, whoa, calm down. It’s not Navigraph’s fault. This happened because govenment of Bhutan removes all of the instrument procedures that were available.
First of all, keep in mind that this airport is indeed challenging and available for VFR flight only. Every instrument procedures that were published in the published are instrument cloud break procedure, not instrument approach procedure. What is this means? This means those procedures were designed to get you below the clouds safely where you can then safely continue the approach visually. Those procedures are not meant to get you down all the way to the runway. You have to make a self visual maneuver in the valley so you can bring down the aircraft on to the airport safely.
Now, since this is a special airport, a special visual maneuver procedure is required to be able to fly in and out of this airport. You can start by observing real world cockpit videos uploaded on YouTube to find out how the real crews maneuver the aircraft in and out of the valley safely without crashing into the terrain.
It’s not easy of course, you have to memorize into your brain the terrain profile of area within District of Paro and Chukha Village. It’s time consuming. You have to put what you learn from those vidoes into practice over and over again but at the end it will be worth it and satisfying.
Wishing you a best success on learning this all.
Christo
P.S. Starting with airac cycle 2510, the navdata with those RNP AR procedure will be recovered back but not the chart. Since the screenshot of chart you show us is from a very long time ago and will not be included on the navdata to be recovered on October 4, i thought you may need an updated chart with those old RNAV procedures, so here’s a little gift for you 
VQPR 1813.pdf (2.3 MB)
Keep in mind that these are also instrument cloud break procedures, not instrument approach procedures.
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You also may want to watch this video:
Takeoff & Landing at one of the World’s Most Challenging Airports : Paro Bhutan - YouTube
The captain explained crystal clear on how the visual approach into runway 15 is conducted.
And then there are also these videos that may be helpful for your learning:
RW33 visual straight-in approach:
RW15 visual circling approach:
Christo
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According my records system working fine 5 day ago and the issue start 3 day ago, without approach information no mater VFR or IFR. It provided the information of how to descent getting for landing and how beneficial the chart information was. So according to all your email or post that navigraph have issued because the go by real world information right. Did ya know PARO international data airport is number one challenge airport to landed and very difficult view because of foggy or clouds that cause me crash 5 time. Evening with own strategy had difficulty to landed and normally don’t landed very much Paro.
Also company need to understand customers come first without us as customer navigraph won’t be service for amount 10.45 Dollar a month become year subscription about $125.00 dollars a year. Please I understand ya having issues with ever you state in the emails and aware of navigraph issues. Only say this continues on doesn’t get fix need to fine another chart to use because feel no one is not understanding but get attitude many are replay that don’t know is developers of navigraph. Considering inappropriate approach. Yes other email my approach little aggressive because getting frustrated
First, you’ll get back those RNAV procedures on October 4. You’ll be able to use those procedures again in your favorite aircraft’s FMS. Just make sure you update your navdata to airac 2510 on that day. I have given you the chart in PDF format so you can use that.
Second, you don’t fly to Paro on evening. Paro is not approved for night time flight. Flight is only allowed to be conducted between sunrise and sunset. Last METAR report is usually at 1100Z, so make sure you fly before that time. No one will be able to safely fly in and out of Paro at night time without crashing into some terrain, so there is that.
Christo
Edit: Actually i just checked the airac calender and the effective date for 2510 is actually tomorrow. You may be able to use those instrument procedures again starting from tomorrow. Navdata update is usually available on 0900Z. Just make sure you save the pdf of the chart that i sent since only the fms navdata will be made available again tomorrow, the chart will not be included.