# Simbrief EFB App interferes with MSFS 2024 default flight planner map layers or data **URL:** \ **Category:** Dispatch for MSFS\ **Created:** [December 18, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070 "2024-12-18T18:16:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![The1L2P](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/the1l2p/32/8601_2.png) [@The1L2P](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/The1L2P)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/1 "2024-12-18T18:16:27Z")
Hi, It looks like Navigraph SimBrief EFB App (v1.0.0-beta.4) prevents navigation elements such as Airports, VORs, NDBs, Airspaces, from being displayed on the MSFS 2024 flight planner default map. There is no issue when only Navigraph EFB Charts is installed. As soon as SimBrief EFB App is removed from community folder everything is back to normal on the default MSFS flight planner map. ![Screenshot_1224](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/navigraph1/original/3X/4/2/427a981fdd98867eca779744bce87ab1ba4ee8b1.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![morgan757](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@morgan757](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/morgan757)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/2 "2024-12-18T22:01:15Z")
Same here. I wondered why I wasn’t getting any data with all layers selected in the EFB flight planner. Replicated across all aircraft. As soon as the Simbrief EFB plugin is installed, it wipes out any data that would previously have been shown before the plugin. ---
**Author:** ![CapitanBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@CapitanBill](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/CapitanBill)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 3:53pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/3 "2024-12-20T15:53:28Z")
Having the same issue here as well. ---
**Author:** ![skysail](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/skysail/32/304_2.png) [@skysail](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/skysail)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 4:16pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/4 "2025-01-09T16:16:20Z")
Hello everyone! Sorry for the inconvenience. We have investigated this, and while the root cause is still quite a mystery, we believe that the latest Beta 5 of the SimBrief EFB app should fix this issue! Please try it and see how it works for you! The update is available in the Navigraph Hub or as a manual download from the SimBrief website. Kind Regards, Malte ---
**Author:** ![The1L2P](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/the1l2p/32/8601_2.png) [@The1L2P](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/The1L2P)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 4:58pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/5 "2025-01-09T16:58:01Z")
Hi, Thank you for this update. I just installed SimBrief EFB App v1.0.0-beta.5 and can confirm that Airports are back on MSFS charts, but Navaids are still missing. They went back after removing Beta5 again. You’re on the right way, thanks again for the great support and the good work. 👍 ---
**Author:** ![skysail](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/skysail/32/304_2.png) [@skysail](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/skysail)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 5:00pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/6 "2025-01-09T17:00:52Z")
What sort of navaids are missing? They seem to appear correctly for me: ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/navigraph1/original/3X/6/2/62e64a5d608af04389e0249b3013741a4b9616b4.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![The1L2P](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/the1l2p/32/8601_2.png) [@The1L2P](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/The1L2P)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 5:04pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/7 "2025-01-09T17:04:30Z")
VOR, NDB and Waypoints were missing when beta5 was active, even if they were turned ON in “Navigation” MSFS Map Settings. EDIT: I zoomed enough to be sure they should appear. ---
**Author:** ![skysail](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/skysail/32/304_2.png) [@skysail](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/skysail)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 5:09pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/8 "2025-01-09T17:09:40Z")
Here are VORs and NDBs (waypoints in previous screenshot), running Beta 5 and our AIRAC: ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/navigraph1/original/3X/0/8/081145eeaf0f363e6bc23c66f8c8785b1cc71e7c.png) ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/navigraph1/original/3X/9/b/9b43413b050418e2bdafdcbba78a0038d170d789.png) Can you show me an area where you are missing data? ---
**Author:** ![The1L2P](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/the1l2p/32/8601_2.png) [@The1L2P](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/The1L2P)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 5:29pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/9 "2025-01-09T17:29:52Z")
I was about to take a screenshot. That was near LFRG… But, but, **they are now still there** after reinstalling Beta5. 🤔 Not sure to understand the difference. The first time I just had to sign-in again in Navigraph but not sure it could be related in any way. Still can’t see the airspaces but that’s another issue as it is with or without Simbrief EFB App installed. ---
**Author:** ![skysail](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/skysail/32/304_2.png) [@skysail](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/skysail)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 10:26am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/10 "2025-01-10T10:26:37Z")
That’s very interesting. I am unsure what’s happening there and cannot reproduce it. Thanks for the update, regardless! It would be great to have more confirmations from others in this thread, too! Kind Regards, Malte ---
**Author:** ![skysail](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/skysail/32/304_2.png) [@skysail](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/skysail)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 11:24am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/11 "2025-01-10T11:24:46Z")
Actually, @The1L2P do you have the Charts EFB app installed? If so, I would make sure to update it to Beta 2 for the same reason! ---
**Author:** ![The1L2P](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/the1l2p/32/8601_2.png) [@The1L2P](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/The1L2P)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 11:40am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/12 "2025-01-10T11:40:46Z")
Will try, EFB Charts App v1.0.0-beta.2 was not available in Hub yesterday but I can see it now. ---
**Author:** ![skysail](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/skysail/32/304_2.png) [@skysail](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/skysail)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 11:43am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/13 "2025-01-10T11:43:18Z")
You’re right, I released it a couple minutes before my post above 😉 I realized that there could be related issues there too, even if I have personally not been able to reproduce it! Looking forward to hearing your results! ---
**Author:** ![The1L2P](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/the1l2p/32/8601_2.png) [@The1L2P](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/The1L2P)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 12:03pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/14 "2025-01-10T12:03:02Z")
👍 Good catch, airspaces are back again with Charts beta 2! ---
**Author:** ![OzzyKym](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/58f4c7/32.png) [@OzzyKym](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/OzzyKym)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2025, 1:35am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/15 "2025-01-22T01:35:08Z")
Regardless of what addons I have in my Community Folder, the MSFS 2024 EFB has been failing to load flight plans for me. I initially blamed MSFS 2024 and went back to 2020 in disgust, but when I see so many raving about the good things in 2024 I’m drawn back. Anyway, on my system, what I’ve found is that if I remove the Navigraph AIRAC Cycle, and if I have a flight plan that only has waypoints that are a match for the sims nav data, then the EFB works a treat and works 100% of the time. If however, I have a Navigraph AIRAC Cycle installed, then I cannot load a flight plan (Simbrief etc.) with waypoints, it will sit there saying “Loading” forever, and I have been as patient as waiting 15 minutes for a plan with just two waypoints. Long story short, being not one to give up, I decided to dig as deep as I could and now have a solution for me which I’ve tested over 50 times with 100% success. What I am now doing, and have to do, is before loading the MSFS 2024, and with Navigraph Hub loaded, I “Remove” the AIRAC Cycle and then immediately click “Install” and of course this only takes a second or two to do. If I do that every single time I load MSFS 2024, then even with the most complex and ridiculous flight plan I create with Departures, Arrivals, Approaches and dozens of zig-zagging waypoints in between, then the EFB works a charm. This is with all the Navigraph Avionics Plugins and Apps installed that are included in Navigraph Hub MSFS 2024 Tab. If I don’t do this then it’s a 100% failure rate for the EFB. What the heck can be happening that is cured by quickly removing and installing the same AIRAC cycle before loading MSFS 2024? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![skysail](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/skysail/32/304_2.png) [@skysail](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/skysail)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 8:34am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/16 "2025-01-23T08:34:26Z")
> [@OzzyKym](#): > > What I am now doing, and have to do, is before loading the MSFS 2024, and with Navigraph Hub loaded, I “Remove” the AIRAC Cycle and then immediately click “Install” and of course this only takes a second or two to do. Heh, that sounds like quite the hacky workaround! I’m happy to hear that you find it to be working, though. > [@OzzyKym](#): > > What the heck can be happening that is cured by quickly removing and installing the same AIRAC cycle before loading MSFS 2024? This is an ongoing issue in the simulator that affects pretty much all our products for MSFS 2024. In short, 2024 brought a regression to the way that the simulator handles package ordering. We (Navigraph) can no longer explicitly specify in what order our AIRAC should be loaded! Instead, it is likely that the simulator falls back to alphabetical order for the packages. This will produce unreliable results, and the outcomes will most likely vary depending on what you have in your community folder. Someone else fixed this by manually ordering the packages through the developer menu but it has to be done every sim restart, as far as I understand, so it is not convenient at all. See this post: - [Navigraph AIRAC Cycle for 2024 Missing Waypoints in the Sim - #6 by NixonRedgrave](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/navigraph-airac-cycle-for-2024-missing-waypoints-in-the-sim/18298/6) At the moment, there is nothing we can do to help this. We have created a (so far unattained to) bug report in the official MSFS forums if you are interested: - [Define the loading order of installed packages - [MSFS 2024] Bug Reports - MSFS DevSupport](https://devsupport.flightsimulator.com/t/define-the-loading-order-of-installed-packages/12456) Sorry for the inconvenience! Kind Regards, Malte ---
**Author:** ![OzzyKym](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/58f4c7/32.png) [@OzzyKym](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/OzzyKym)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 8:41pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/17 "2025-01-23T20:41:37Z")
Thanks for the reply Malte. I’m happy to know it’s not just me. My workaround is not much of an inconvenience at all. It’s looking at the moment, for me at least, that all I need to do is start Navigraph Hub with the PC, Remove then Install the AIRAC Cycle and then there are no problems with the EFB loading flight plans with Navigraph waypoints. I found don’t actually need to do this each time I start MSFS2024 if the PC has not been rebooted or turned off. re. “manually ordering the packages”. Would doing this by editing Context.XML make any difference? Guess I’ll try. (isn’t it wonderful how Context.XML gets a duplicate entry for so many addons on each sim load? 😬? - [Great Site For This](https://removeduplicates.cc)) Thanks again for replying. PS - Just tried moving “community-navigraph-nav-base” and “community-navigraph-nav-jepp” to the top of context.xml and thought, great…but then when I closed the sim I noticed they choose to resort context.xml - thanks Asob but I guess you knew that already 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![NAVData](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/navdata/32/30549_2.png) [@NAVData](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/NAVData)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 5:02am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/18 "2025-01-24T05:02:45Z")
> [@OzzyKym](#): > > PS - Just tried moving “community-navigraph-nav-base” and “community-navigraph-nav-jepp” to the top of context.xml and thought, great…but then when I closed the sim I noticed they choose to resort context.xml - thanks Asob but I guess you knew that already Exactly, this is what doesn’t work anymore, but there is no comment from ASOBO/MS on this, nor is there a fix in SU1 beta. Cheers Richard ---
**Author:** ![redneckRam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@redneckRam](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/redneckRam)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 6:06am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/19 "2025-01-24T06:06:21Z")
Thank you for this explanation of how you go about it. I was having problems getting it to actually load any of my simbrief plans and on top of that the G1000 in my planes were going haywire and not properly loading any nav data for me. I was pretty much total VFR and if not for the Navigraph and OnAir map tracking outside of the sim I would have been totally lost. Unfortunately this fix still doesn’t help with making the Navigraph EFB charts actually load for me in the sim rather than just going to INOP and then never doing anything after clicking “Reload” ---
**Author:** ![skysail](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/skysail/32/304_2.png) [@skysail](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/skysail)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:59am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070/20 "2025-01-24T10:59:47Z")
> [@redneckRam](#): > > Unfortunately this fix still doesn’t help with making the Navigraph EFB charts actually load for me in the sim rather than just going to INOP and then never doing anything after clicking “Reload” That is definitely a different issue. Have you created a dedicated topic? Kind Regards, Malte [Next page](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/simbrief-efb-app-interferes-with-msfs-2024-default-flight-planner-map-layers-or-data/18070.md?page=2)