# SID STAR No longer appearing in MSFS Steam anymore **URL:** \ **Category:** SID/STAR/APPR\ **Created:** [April 20, 2024, 1:50pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/sid-star-no-longer-appearing-in-msfs-steam-anymore/15493 "2024-04-20T13:50:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![marcognition](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/marcognition/32/18233_2.png) [@marcognition](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/marcognition)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2024, 1:50pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/sid-star-no-longer-appearing-in-msfs-steam-anymore/15493/1 "2024-04-20T13:50:34Z")
Hello, I’m running MSFS (Steam). Navigraph Hub indicates that simulator base packages are installed (latest Airac Cycle 2404 rev. 1). I noticed that SID /STAR/waypoints no longer appear either in MSFS flight planning, nor in the imported flight plans made in Simbrief. Everything worked before with PMDG, Fenix, Latin VFR, Horizon 789, FBW 320N, etc, now there’s no longer SID/STARS/WAYPOINTS at all. Everything was working before in MSFS, all add-on aircraft navigation, etc. Now there’s nothing except departure and arrival airports (with no waypoints in between, just default departure/arrival, automatic departure). I have no clue what’s happened aside that Navigraph hub crashed briefly whilst updating to Airac Cycle 2404 rev. 1. I’m hoping that someone has a solution. Thanks for any help, Marco ![Navigraph Hub](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/navigraph1/original/3X/6/9/69c085ee5ef7ca23977c761f0642d257e2bc6537.png) ---
**Author:** ![NAVData](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/navdata/32/30549_2.png) [@NAVData](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/NAVData)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2024, 2:41pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/sid-star-no-longer-appearing-in-msfs-steam-anymore/15493/2 "2024-04-20T14:41:42Z")
Hi Marco, there was no change on our side, nor do we have received any report with an AIRAC cycle issue - so something must be happen on you system. The strange thing is, when you have access to the airports the data are installed because you can´t install only a “part” of the data - thats not possible. - Can you show us your Community-Folder please? - Do you have installed any 3rd party scenery? When yes, how looks your `content.xml` file? Thank you, Richard ---
**Author:** ![marcognition](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/marcognition/32/18233_2.png) [@marcognition](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/marcognition)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2024, 3:09pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/sid-star-no-longer-appearing-in-msfs-steam-anymore/15493/3 "2024-04-20T15:09:14Z")
![contentxml](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/navigraph1/original/3X/e/0/e04a48f7347e9dc832b90bcb58802e82dd787b93.png) ![community](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/navigraph1/original/3X/7/4/74f3d2c435ab9d61dedbaca256bd93c5027415fe.png) I reinstalled Navigraph (earlier today, same with conent.xml), ran MSFS, no dice. No SID/STAR/WAYPOINTS anymore, just direct departures and arrivals. I’m stymied. Planes still load as do sceneries… Regards, Marco ---
**Author:** ![NAVData](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/navdata/32/30549_2.png) [@NAVData](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/NAVData)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2024, 3:58pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/sid-star-no-longer-appearing-in-msfs-steam-anymore/15493/4 "2024-04-20T15:58:50Z")
Ok, you have many 3rd party packages, and a lot of them seems to be sceneries. I would recommend to move all packages outside the community folder, excluding the navigraph-folders. After that, start the sim and try it again. I’m pretty sure that any package “blocks or breaks” the navdata. Cheers Richard ---
**Author:** ![marcognition](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/marcognition/32/18233_2.png) [@marcognition](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/marcognition)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2024, 7:56pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/sid-star-no-longer-appearing-in-msfs-steam-anymore/15493/5 "2024-04-20T19:56:25Z")
Hello (again), So, what I did is I removed all the Navigraph Hub installations from MSFS and addons, then shutdown MSFS, then restarted MSFS without Navigraph Hub, all the SID/STAR/APPROACHES were now there! BUT, when I shutdown MSFS and reinstalled Navigraph Hub, restarted MSFS, the SID/STAR/APPROACHES were now gone?! Back to point-to-point with no SID/STAR/APRROACHES, etc. I am really stymied as I have never had a problem like this before… Note on this screenshot that somehow the correct routing is showing STAR/SID/APPROACH is showing on the map, but not the routing, nor on the FMC… Stymied. Regards, Marco ![no sid star.PNG](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/navigraph1/original/3X/5/4/5406903741b6a53f277b6f64a32520e11c131e40.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![NAVData](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/navdata/32/30549_2.png) [@NAVData](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/NAVData)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2024, 2:59am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/sid-star-no-longer-appearing-in-msfs-steam-anymore/15493/6 "2024-04-21T02:59:45Z")
Marco, I mean exactly the other way: Move all folder from the community folder somewhere outside, excluding the `navigraph-navdata-base` and the `navigraph-navdata` folder. After that, restart the sim and check if you can select the terminal procedures now. When you un-install our packages only, its clear that the stock terminal procedures from the MSFS are back because they are a fix part of the MSFS and you can’t really delete it. What I have written before, I’m sure that any package in your community folder is the culprit and disable our package what results disabling in the whole sim. Cheers Richard ---
**Author:** ![marcognition](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/marcognition/32/18233_2.png) [@marcognition](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/marcognition)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2024, 1:17pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/sid-star-no-longer-appearing-in-msfs-steam-anymore/15493/7 "2024-04-21T13:17:00Z")
![NO SID STAR EMPTY COMMUNITY FOLDER EXCEPT NAVIGRAPH AFTER TOTAL RESTART.PNG](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/navigraph1/original/3X/5/1/51a9f9fec9a17b3d7682f387b8f69b252a72bb5e.jpeg) Hello, I did exactly as per your instructions only the Navigraph Folders that specified are left in the Community folders. No SID/STAR procedures are available/not visible… Regards, Marco ---
**Author:** ![marcognition](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/marcognition/32/18233_2.png) [@marcognition](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/marcognition)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/sid-star-no-longer-appearing-in-msfs-steam-anymore/15493/8 "2024-04-21T19:39:15Z")
This is crazy. Navigraph IS the problem. I have tried all permutations and the only time is when STAR/SID/APPROACH fail to appear is when Navigraph Hub is installed (re-installed). So let’s Matrix this, shall we? MSFS WITH addons planes+scenery+Navigraph= No STAR/SID/APPROACH MSFS WITH Navigraph only= No STAR/SID/APPROACH MSFS WITH addons planes+scenery WITHOUT Navigraph= STAR/SID/APPROACH default MSFS=working MSFS WITHOUT any addons planes+scenery+Navigraph= STAR/SID/APPROACH default MSFS=working Is there any possibility that Naviraph corrupted something? Any ideas? Marco ---
**Author:** ![NAVData](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/navdata/32/30549_2.png) [@NAVData](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/NAVData)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 5:20am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/sid-star-no-longer-appearing-in-msfs-steam-anymore/15493/9 "2024-04-22T05:20:10Z")
Hi again Marco, thanks for sharing your output. It’s clear that in every situation, when you un-install our package, that the MSFS uses the stock navdata. There is no way, to delete or re-order the stock data - the data has internally the highest priority and you can’t move it somewhere else. It’s the same with 3rd party sceneries, in that moment, where you remove a 3rd party scenery, MSFS uses automatically the default-stock scenery So, that it’s not suprising, that when you remove any 3rd party content, that the stock content will be used. To your last question, if it’s possible that the data are corrupt: Yes and no, normally there is a checksum which guarantee that the downloaded data are complete. When the checksum is different, then the download failed or the comparing checksum is wrong (what is very, very seldome, unlikely). Also, it looks a very isolated issue on your system, because we don’t have receive any reports - not here, not on the MSFS forum or our ticket system. You wrote: “no longer appearing” that means for me, it was working before, correct? Were there any chances between before and now? On the system, on the MSFS? Have you installed anything new? Antivirus, Firewall disabled? Is there any chance to look on your system via remote connection, that I can do some checks? Again, there must be something wrong on your system but at this stage I can’t really say what. What I can only say is, even it looks for you, it is not a navdata issue or a file issue on our side because when it would, you would see much, much, much more reports. So, we must look what is wrong and therefore the request for a remote session. Cheers Richard ---
**Author:** ![marcognition](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/marcognition/32/18233_2.png) [@marcognition](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/marcognition)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 7:03pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/sid-star-no-longer-appearing-in-msfs-steam-anymore/15493/10 "2024-04-23T19:03:51Z")
Hello, I guess a remote session will have to do. FYI: I redownloaded MSFS entirely as I have the MSFS Premium Deluxe Edition and a slow internet connection, it took this long… Just an FYI: MSFS airplane add-ons don’t show the planned route created via NAVIGRAPH (except for PMDG 737-800 and Fenix A320 which do show the NAVIGRAPH planned STAR/SID/APPROACHES) Regards, Marco ![NO SID STAR EMPTY COMMUNITY FOLDER EXCEPT NAVIGRAPH AFTER TOTAL total reset.PNG](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/navigraph1/original/3X/0/d/0de5b910f3a8bf1396ef64f1157079dc1e066604.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![NAVData](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/navdata/32/30549_2.png) [@NAVData](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/NAVData)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 1:57pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/sid-star-no-longer-appearing-in-msfs-steam-anymore/15493/11 "2024-04-24T13:57:34Z")
Just to be close this topic correctly … the OP try to troubleshoot it by yourself. Read the posting here: > [@Complete uninstall required including registry entries, hidden files, etc](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/complete-uninstall-required-including-registry-entries-hidden-files-etc/15521): > > Hello, STAR/SID/APPROACHES no longer are available in MSFS (STEAM) when I install Navigraph 2404 rev.1 . When I remove Navigrah, MSFS returns to working order with STAR/SID/APPROACHES reappearing. I’ve already posted about this issue, but now the subject topic posting has gone to “radio Silenct”. As I’ve determined that Navigraph is the the corrupting element, all I would like is to know how to COMPLETELY remove this program especially any data files from my Windows 10 (ie: registry entries, a… Cheers, Richard ---
**Author:** ![NAVData](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/navdata/32/30549_2.png) [@NAVData](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/NAVData)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2024, 6:00am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/sid-star-no-longer-appearing-in-msfs-steam-anymore/15493/12 "2024-04-25T06:00:42Z")
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