# No SIDs, STARs and approaches in MSFS2024 on default aircrafts
**URL:** https://forum.navigraph.com/t/no-sids-stars-and-approaches-in-msfs2024-on-default-aircrafts/19245
**Category:** General MSFS Data
**Created:** [April 5, 2025, 4:32pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/no-sids-stars-and-approaches-in-msfs2024-on-default-aircrafts/19245 "2025-04-05T16:32:11Z")
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### Author:  [@HarryPorter](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/HarryPorter)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2025, 4:32pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/no-sids-stars-and-approaches-in-msfs2024-on-default-aircrafts/19245/1 "2025-04-05T16:32:11Z")
I’m testing nav data from navigraph on CJ4 in UEEE airport on MSFS2024 and there are no sids, stars and approaches to both runways. I checked on 2020 and they are there but only approaches. In both versions of sim there are no SID and STAR procedures. Navigraph error?
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### Author:  [@srcooke](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/srcooke)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2025, 4:33pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/no-sids-stars-and-approaches-in-msfs2024-on-default-aircrafts/19245/2 "2025-04-05T16:33:45Z")
> [@Problem with approach to Yakutsk UEEE airport](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/problem-with-approach-to-yakutsk-ueee-airport/19202/17):
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> The default MSFS2024 scenery runway looks to be numbered 05R/23L, ASOBO issue.
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### Author:  [@HarryPorter](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/HarryPorter)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2025, 4:38pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/no-sids-stars-and-approaches-in-msfs2024-on-default-aircrafts/19245/3 "2025-04-05T16:38:24Z")
Default MSFS2020 scenery also has markings 05R/23L and approaches are there. How do you explain that?
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### Author:  [@NAVData](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/NAVData)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2025, 4:48pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/no-sids-stars-and-approaches-in-msfs2024-on-default-aircrafts/19245/4 "2025-04-05T16:48:02Z")
ASOBO uses a trick; they define all procedures for all runways, independent of whether this is correct or not.
Show the SIDs, ex GIMEK6A. This usually is only for 05, but with the stock data, you can select this with 23, too, but that is wrong.
That’s the reason why it works with the stock data.
I hope that helps
Richard
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### Author:  [@HarryPorter](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/HarryPorter)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2025, 5:06pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/no-sids-stars-and-approaches-in-msfs2024-on-default-aircrafts/19245/5 "2025-04-05T17:06:25Z")
Are you talking about the 2020 version now? Because on my 2024 nothing is shown except the runway number.
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### Author:  [@NAVData](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/NAVData)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2025, 7:57pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/no-sids-stars-and-approaches-in-msfs2024-on-default-aircrafts/19245/6 "2025-04-05T19:57:26Z")
> [@HarryPorter](#):
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> Default MSFS2020 scenery also has markings 05R/23L and approaches are there. How do you explain that?
Yes, I’m talking about 2020, as you told us. See your posting. But when you have the wrong runway idents in 2024 too, it’s clear when you don’t see anything in 2024.
Thank you very much
Richard
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### Author:  [@HarryPorter](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/HarryPorter)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2025, 8:10pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/no-sids-stars-and-approaches-in-msfs2024-on-default-aircrafts/19245/7 "2025-04-05T20:10:46Z")
So it looks like it can’t be fixed until asobo fixes the runway numbers.
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### Author:  [@NAVData](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/NAVData)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2025, 8:16pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/no-sids-stars-and-approaches-in-msfs2024-on-default-aircrafts/19245/8 "2025-04-05T20:16:38Z")
Correct, we may not and cannot change runway idents due to the encrypted streaming technology in 2024. In 2020, we may not change stock airports. I’m sorry, we would help, if we could, but only ASOBO can fix this.
Cheers
Richard
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### Author:  [@HarryPorter](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/HarryPorter)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2025, 8:36pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/no-sids-stars-and-approaches-in-msfs2024-on-default-aircrafts/19245/9 "2025-04-05T20:36:07Z")
It would probably be necessary to update the Russian terrain. In 2018, a runway renovation began, which included replacing the concrete runway surface, and is scheduled for completion in October 2023. The runway numbers were also changed.
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### Author:  [@NAVData](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/NAVData)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2025, 4:53am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/no-sids-stars-and-approaches-in-msfs2024-on-default-aircrafts/19245/10 "2025-04-06T04:53:49Z")
Please report this to ASOBO, the company responsible for such updates. Our data are up to date…
Thank you very much
Richard
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [April 8, 2025, 4:54am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/no-sids-stars-and-approaches-in-msfs2024-on-default-aircrafts/19245/11 "2025-04-08T04:54:07Z")
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