# Missing SIDS and STARs at SCIE and SCEL

**URL:** <https://forum.navigraph.com/t/missing-sids-and-stars-at-scie-and-scel/7350>\
**Category:** SID/STAR/APPR\
**Created:** [February 3, 2022, 12:55pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/missing-sids-and-stars-at-scie-and-scel/7350 "2022-02-03T12:55:37Z")\
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**Author:** ![NAVData](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/navdata/32/30549_2.png) [@NAVData](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/NAVData)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 4:49pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/missing-sids-and-stars-at-scie-and-scel/7350/2 "2022-02-03T16:49:34Z")

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The reason is not a navdata issue, it´s a stock scenery issue due missing runways or wrong runway-idents.

for SCEL:

> [@No SIDs or STARs at SCEL](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/no-sids-or-stars-at-scel/6920/4):
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> Hi Jonny, apology, you´re absolutely right - please excuse my not very qualified answer. After I have checked your report, I have seen that I have made a mistake, referencing to old/outdated topics. Sorry for that! But the root cause is the same as in the other topics: Due runway maintenance, the runway ident is changed to 16/35R and that´s the reason why the sim can´t handle our procedures because the logic in the sim is, when a terminal procedure can´t be assigned to an existing runway in t…

for SCIE - compare the airport diagram in the stock scenery with the real-world. When they are not matched, the sim blocks the terminal procedures:

 ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/navigraph1/original/2X/5/5d7795d98c66c76e36531be3a31c2c6f643ad34f.jpeg)

Cheers  
Richard

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