# EGSS STARs missing from MSFS **URL:** \ **Category:** SID/STAR/APPR\ **Created:** [February 26, 2023, 12:53pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/egss-stars-missing-from-msfs/11297 "2023-02-26T12:53:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![nasskau99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/3ab097/32.png) [@nasskau99](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/nasskau99)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 12:53pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/egss-stars-missing-from-msfs/11297/1 "2023-02-26T12:53:26Z")
MS A320 route from LFBO to EGSS shows no STARs available at EGSS. Reroute LFBO to EDLV and STARs ARE available. Same applies when using FBW A320NX - stars are NOT available for EGSS in the MCDU which I understand uses the Navdata in the sim… This applies with or without the EGSS freeware airport from Liiiam (via Flightsim.to). Sorry if I’ve missed this being reported by someone else… Nav cycle 2302 rev 4 in use… ---
**Author:** ![NAVData](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/navdata/32/30549_2.png) [@NAVData](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/NAVData)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 1:22pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/egss-stars-missing-from-msfs/11297/2 "2023-02-26T13:22:27Z")
Hi, in most cases, the stock scenery is outdated. Please check the runways, against the real world. EGSS has in real the runway idents 04/22 Do you see the same in MSFS? When not than this is the issue → outdated scenery There are several reports here with different airports … look for “missing stars” Ie.: > [@EIDW 28L & 10R missing Star in MSFS 2020](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/eidw-28l-10r-missing-star-in-msfs-2020/8982/2): > > Hi, this is sadly a MSFS issue because (at least) the stock scenery is outdated. Dublin has a new runway since AIRAC 2208 which is not included in the MSFS and we may not change any existing airports. The logic in the sim is now, when a runway is missing with existing terminal procedures - the sim disabled all these terminal procedures. EIDW has now 10L/R and 28L/R and all STARs are valid for both runways and therefore all these STARs will be disabled by the sim. It´s not a navdata i… Cheers Richard ---
**Author:** ![nasskau99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/3ab097/32.png) [@nasskau99](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/nasskau99)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 1:46pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/egss-stars-missing-from-msfs/11297/3 "2023-02-26T13:46:41Z")
Hi Richard, Thanks for the rapid response - and on a Sunday! However, the sim shows runways 04/22 so that seems to be consistent? Best regards Peter ---
**Author:** ![NAVData](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/navdata/32/30549_2.png) [@NAVData](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/NAVData)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 1:53pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/egss-stars-missing-from-msfs/11297/4 "2023-02-26T13:53:23Z")
Thanks Peter, ok let me check it … I have seen, on the charts that there is a temporary runway limitation, possible that is the issue. I will check it and will inform you here. Thank you very much Peter, Richard ---
**Author:** ![NAVData](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/navdata/32/30549_2.png) [@NAVData](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/NAVData)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 7:06pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/egss-stars-missing-from-msfs/11297/5 "2023-02-26T19:06:21Z")
Hi Peter, ok, I have checked it now between the MSFS and the real-world information … The issue is this notams: ```auto A8097/22 NOTAMN Q) EGTT/QMRTT/IV/BO /A /000/999/5153N00014E005 A) EGSS B) 2303260000 C) 2304082359 E) TRIGGER NOTAM - AIP SUP 077/22 WEF 26 MAR - 08 JUN 23 RWY 04/22 REDUCED DIST OPERATIONS ``` from the EGSS charts 30-1P2: ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/navigraph1/original/2X/0/07a5950e3f87d6bf128238b417653a20c0a5a292.jpeg) directly from our database: ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/navigraph1/original/2X/f/fdfaa2a8e10dea1ff9d6b29e8c15b6276f25af6c.png) Due this notam, ESGG has temporary “two additional” runway idents 04C and 22C … the problem now is, that the sim disable at least all STARs, when any terminal procedure can´t be assigned to a runway, in this case 04C/22C because both runways doesn´t exist in the MSFS. I have looked into the data and all STARs are available and existing in our data but the sim supress all due this limitation. Sorry - it´s exactly the same issue, when the stock scenery has an outdated runway ident - than the sim suppress also all STARs (at least). According the notams this “reduced dist operations” ends with 8 of April 2023, so I guess (when ASOBO doesn´t change this logic till this date in any update), you can expect the STARs back with at least the cycle 2305. Sorry for that - hope that helps, Richard ---
**Author:** ![nasskau99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/3ab097/32.png) [@nasskau99](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/nasskau99)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 8:40pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/egss-stars-missing-from-msfs/11297/6 "2023-02-26T20:40:50Z")
Hi Richard, many thanks for your effort and your clear explanation - I’ll know to watch for this in future! All the best Peter ---
**Author:** ![system](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/navigraph1/original/1X/4cc83e90d70ab312b1bd2d7527bddad309607265.png) [@system](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2023, 8:40pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/egss-stars-missing-from-msfs/11297/7 "2023-02-28T20:40:58Z")
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