# Can I generate a route without SIDS/STARS

**URL:** <https://forum.navigraph.com/t/can-i-generate-a-route-without-sids-stars/7993>\
**Category:** Dispatch\
**Created:** [May 11, 2022, 9:35pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/can-i-generate-a-route-without-sids-stars/7993 "2022-05-11T21:35:49Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 5\
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**Author:** ![Maaarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Maaarp](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/Maaarp)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 9:35pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/can-i-generate-a-route-without-sids-stars/7993/1 "2022-05-11T21:35:49Z")

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G’day everyone,

I’ve been using SImbrief for years and love it but have a slight issue with Flight Plans for the new PMDG 737.

I’d like to be able to generate a Plan without SIDS/STARS then add them myself later but I can’t see a way of doing that at the moment (for the PMDG aircraft anyway). This way I can use the Downloader and drop the Plan right into the FMC which gives me the opportunity to plan the Dep/Arr myself.

Grateful for the help

Cheers

Warwick

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**Author:** ![Ian](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/ian/32/154_2.png) [@Ian](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/Ian)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 11:27pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/can-i-generate-a-route-without-sids-stars/7993/2 "2022-05-11T23:27:56Z")

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Hi Warwick,

Welcome

How about deleting the SID and STAR (first and last entry) from the suggested Route. Then you get to keep all the parts in between.

Cheers  
Ian

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**Author:** ![Maaarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Maaarp](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/Maaarp)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2022, 1:29am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/can-i-generate-a-route-without-sids-stars/7993/3 "2022-05-12T01:29:48Z")

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Why that’s so crazy it just might work! 😆

Often it’s the simple things you overlook. Thanks mate.

Warwick

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**Author:** ![FGrabi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/2bfe46/32.png) [@FGrabi](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/FGrabi)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 10:22am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/can-i-generate-a-route-without-sids-stars/7993/4 "2022-06-22T10:22:40Z")

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Or you can use the free SimToolkitPro, where you can plan flights and in the advanced options you can choose if you prefer SID and/or STAR. It will connect to simbrief and generate a flight.

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**Author:** ![jeaviation](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/jeaviation/32/20874_2.png) [@jeaviation](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/jeaviation)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 2:15pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/can-i-generate-a-route-without-sids-stars/7993/5 "2022-08-02T14:15:41Z")

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As the SID/STAR change base on wind and other fact, will not be better to have a route without?

Thanks