# Additional RNAV SIDs/STARs for Alaska Milk Run routes

**URL:** <https://forum.navigraph.com/t/additional-rnav-sids-stars-for-alaska-milk-run-routes/11837>\
**Category:** General\
**Created:** [April 17, 2023, 5:02am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/additional-rnav-sids-stars-for-alaska-milk-run-routes/11837 "2023-04-17T05:02:01Z")\
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**Author:** ![berniecase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aca169/32.png) [@berniecase](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/berniecase)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2023, 5:02am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/additional-rnav-sids-stars-for-alaska-milk-run-routes/11837/1 "2023-04-17T05:02:01Z")

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Hello,

For reference on the Alaska milk run routes:  
[https://simpleflying.com/alaska-airlines-milk-run-guide/](https://simpleflying.com/alaska-airlines-milk-run-guide/)

It’s my understanding that Alaska Airlines has some additional charts they use for these milk run routes, which tie together all of the departures and arrivals better than what you get currently in Navigraph.

I’m wondering, would Navigraph have access to any of these additional charts that Jeppesen makes? For instance, a small selection…

PAPG - RNAV (RNP) M Rwy 5  
PAPG - RNAV (RNP) M Rwy 23  
PAWG - RNAV (RNP) M Rwy 10  
PAWG - RNAV (RNP) N Rwy 10  
PAWG - RNAV (RNP) M Rwy 28  
PAWG - RNAV (RNP) N Rwy 28  
PAWG - KAJBU 5 RNAV (RNP) Departure  
PAWG - LASOE 2 RNAV (RNP) Departure  
PAPG - RAKLY 1 RNAV (RNP) Departure  
PAPG - GORBY 5 RNAV (RNP) Departure

I’m guessing there are more. These are just the ones I’ve seen.

Thanks!

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**Author:** ![johnfast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@johnfast](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/johnfast)\
**Post date:** [September 4, 2024, 6:45pm UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/additional-rnav-sids-stars-for-alaska-milk-run-routes/11837/2 "2024-09-04T18:45:36Z")

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I am also interested in the answer to this question. If charts are not available, are waypoint coordinates?

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**Author:** ![NAVData](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/navdata/32/30549_2.png) [@NAVData](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/NAVData)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 3:56am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/additional-rnav-sids-stars-for-alaska-milk-run-routes/11837/3 "2024-09-05T03:56:52Z")

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Hi,  
No the charts are not available. We don’t have access to airline specific charts (tailored). The waypoints should be available (at least for the RNAV because such waypoints are normally not tailored) yes, but due the lack on information, we can really verify it. Normally, tailored data/charts are based on the standard data.

But again, we can’t verify, we don’t have anything to check and therefore it’s only an assumption.

Cheers  
Richard

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**Author:** ![johnfast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@johnfast](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/johnfast)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 8:18am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/additional-rnav-sids-stars-for-alaska-milk-run-routes/11837/4 "2024-09-05T08:18:53Z")

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Thank you so much for the quick reply, Navigraph is such a great asset to the dimming community.

John

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**Author:** ![NAVData](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.navigraph.com/navdata/32/30549_2.png) [@NAVData](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/NAVData)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 8:29am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/additional-rnav-sids-stars-for-alaska-milk-run-routes/11837/5 "2024-09-05T08:29:55Z")

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Thank you for those kind words, John. We try to help where we can, but in such cases we have no chance. We don’t have these data/charts and so it’s a shame and hard for us to answer the question with a negative message – but it is what it is, and we can’t promise anything we can’t keep.

Thanks for your understanding and again the great words to the whole Navigraph team! Much appreciated.

Cheers,  
Richard

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**Author:** ![system](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/navigraph1/original/1X/4cc83e90d70ab312b1bd2d7527bddad309607265.png) [@system](https://forum.navigraph.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 8:30am UTC](https://forum.navigraph.com/t/additional-rnav-sids-stars-for-alaska-milk-run-routes/11837/6 "2024-09-07T08:30:32Z")

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